Winning Without a Credit Score

by Jason Cabler · 22 comments

It’s hard for many people to believe you can win in life without a credit score, but if you’ve been keeping up with the Celebrating Financial Freedom blog at all, you know I believe you don’t need a credit score at all (read about it here).no credit score

After I posted that entry a while back, I got a call from an old friend who told me a story that just happened to coincide perfectly with the timing of that post.

The story is about his mom (I’ll call her Marge), whom I’ve known almost my entire life.  Marge and her husband have been out of debt since 1966, the year before my friend was born, a great accomplishment to be sure.

A few weeks ago Marge was at a local store making a purchase when they offered her a discount if she would sign up for a store credit card.  For whatever reason, she decided to do it.  She filled out the application form and they quickly entered here info into the computer.

After a few seconds the cashier looked at her sheepishly.

“Umm, ma’am… I’m sorry, we can’t give you a card.”

“Why not?” Marge asks.

“Well Ma’am, the computer doesn’t tell me why it just says you don’t qualify.”

“That’s impossible!” Marge exclaims, “I pay all my bills on time and I don’t have any debt.”

“I’m sorry” the cashier says apologetically.

This gets Marge fuming, “Let me see the manager” she says, thinking someone a little higher up might see the light.

The manager is summoned.  He comes over and looks at the computer screen, trying to dig a little deeper to find out why she was turned down.  He gets a puzzled look on his face when he discovers it’s not because Marge has a low credit score, she has no credit score at all.

Again she hears the news, “Ma’am I’m sorry, you just don’t qualify for the card”

Now, if you knew Marge, you’d know that she doesn’t take this kind of news lightly.  She feels like these people are telling her she’s not good enough, a deadbeat, not worthy.

The more she thinks about being denied, the more she fumes.  It really starts to eat her up.  So she tells herself “I’ll show them.  I’ll get a card from my bank” (where she’s had an account for decades) “and then I’ll march right back in that store with my card and show them I am not a deadbeat!”

So Marge goes to the bank and fills out the app.  After the credit manager plugs in the numbers, she sees that familiar look on his face.

“I’m sorry Marge, but you don’t qualify for a credit card” he says.

“How is that possible?  I’m extremely responsible with my money, I have no debt, I pay my bills on time.  Why doesn’t anybody want to trust me with a credit card?”  She’s astounded and confused.

“Well Marge, It’s not that you can’t be trusted.  In fact I think you are very trustworthy because I know your record with this bank” he said.  “The problem is not that you have a bad credit score, it’s that you don’t have a credit score at all.  It’s been so long since you’ve had any debt that when it comes to rating your credit, you don’t even exist.”

She gave him a curious look, still not completely understanding.

He continued, “Most people would be very envious to be in your position.  You’ve been winning financially for over 40 years and you are in a better financial position than probably 95% of the people in this country.  You should be proud of that!”

Finally the gears start turning and the light bulb finally comes on.  She begins to understand that it’s not her, it’s them.  They (the credit scoring companies), give a credit score to people who are in debt, and that score measures how good you are at managing your debt.  She realizes that not having a credit score puts her in an enviable position, and she should be proud.

Marge ended up getting the credit card she wanted because of her good long term relationship with the bank, and I’m sure she’s gone back to that store to use that card, probably more than once, just to make her point.

Why she felt she needed a credit card in the first place I’ll never know.  But I do know that one day I want to be just like Marge was before she got her card…

a person without a credit score.

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  • Jwaelbroeck

    My husband and I are currently in the process of buying our second home. My husband has no debt. We were able to contact one of the credit agencies and they showed a high credit score and a long credit history. Of course the bank we are trying to secure a loan through was all distraut. Apparently, they are unable to access the same agency to see our credit score. Our application is currently being considered. It will be interesting to find out what they will do for us.

    • http://www.CFinancialFreedom.com Dr. Jason Cabler

      I’m sure they will be able to access the same score soon and you’ll end up getting a favorable loan.  Good luck!

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  • http://www.thedebtprincess.com/ Jessica

    Great post. As a person with a very low credit score, I can see now how I got into the trap of thinking it was so important.

    I have a friend who is so proud of herself for paying her bills on time so she could improve her credit score high enough to 100% finance a brand new car. She was so happy about her “success” that I couldn’t manage to burst her bubble (and I’m certainly not the right person to give advice).

    Just shows how far financial education really needs to go in this country.

    • http://www.CFinancialFreedom.com Dr. Jason Cabler

      You’re right, we have to quit listening to what the credit companies tell us is smart and get educated in the true, common sense ways of personal finance.  It’s not that hard, you just have to be committed.  You might want to share a couple of my posts with your friend (do so gently of course).

      “How Not to Finance a Car” http://wp.me/p1yqwF-gk

      “4 Steps to Getting Rid of Car Payments Forever”  http://wp.me/p1yqwF-8Y

      She might be able to use them when she wakes up and comes to her senses.
       

  • Jackie Walters

    Great post!  I loved it.  It just amazes me how we,  ”people who are responsible and do not use credit” can be penalized.

    Jackie.

  • http://www.enemyofdebt.com/ Brad Chaffee

    Oh and one more thing. Your example here clearly shows the flaw in such a system. A lady who had happily lived a long time without a score ended up getting a credit card to prove she was financially worthy. Little did she know that she had already proven that by her previous financial choices of not borrowing money to live her life.

    Hopefully, with her life long of financial responsible actions she will at least be equipped with the common sense to use that one credit card sparingly and to pay it off each month.

    The problem with using this method to “build” ones credit is that once the credit score tops out because it can’t get any better based on one line of credit, the urge to open another card becomes a risk. And another. And another.

    Dear Friends Mom,
    Welcome to an American crisis plaguing families across America.

    • http://www.CFinancialFreedom.com Dr. Jason Cabler

      Right, if America could really get this message integrated into their minds, hearts, and actions, there would be no stopping us.  

      That is my mission, and I take it seriously.  

      That is why I want to grow this blog and make it the best it can be, because it WILL change lives!

  • http://www.enemyofdebt.com/ Brad Chaffee

    This is a terrific post! I think the credit score is one of the worst things to happen to families since it encourages debt and in my opinion uses a flawed system to judge financial responsibility.

    I do think there should be something in place for banks to use in order to determine someone’s credit worthiness should they choose to enter into financial bondage but it should be completely separate from judging someone on complete financial responsibility.

    There is a difference.

    Just because someone, like myself, chooses not to play the credit score game it should not be held against them if they are trying to get insurance, a job, or when renting a house or apartment.

    All the credit score does is provide a false sense of accomplishment. People obsess over their score and in finding ways to increase it. How do you increase your score? You get more debt of course.

    Being off the credit score grid is what I consider an accomplishment and I wear it like a badge of honor. :D

    • http://www.CFinancialFreedom.com Dr. Jason Cabler

      It certainly is a badge of honor and I’m glad to be a member of that club.  Technically I still have a good score because I still am paying on my mortgage, but otherwise I’m debt free and don’t worry about my score.

      I think when you get insurance, apply for a job, or renting you just have to be proactive and tell them up front you have no debt, so if credit score is an issue, that’s why.  They might require some further documentation but it’s worth it.  I think most companies would be jumping at the chance to have you as a customer because you would be a good risk.

      • http://www.enemyofdebt.com/ Brad Chaffee

        Exactly. Any landlord that would turn away someone because they don’t have an “I Love Debt Score” even though they had a savings statement showing they had 6 months of expenses saved up would be a fool. :)

        • http://www.CFinancialFreedom.com Dr. Jason Cabler

          You got it, landlords salivate over those kinds of tenants.

  • Charles

    that’s an interesting story. it’s funny that she has no credit history. if she every bought a car or home, there should be some history of borrowing and lending. but whatever the case, the story was interesting. with her new credit card, i’m sure she developed a score now.

    • http://www.CFinancialFreedom.com Dr. Jason Cabler

      Since they have been debt free for all this time, they have had their house paid off since 1966 and paid cash for every car over the years.  I’m sure she has a score now, don’t know why she’d need one though.