Western Sky Personal Loans- Don’t Let the Sky Fall on You

by Jason Cabler · 11 comments

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As I was doing research for last week’s post on payday loans, I ran across the Western Sky Financial website.  I had seen the ads for personal loans on TV for the last year or so, but hadn’t paid much attention since I teach people to avoid the bondage of debt.

But once I found their site and read the information about their personal loans and their business model, I knew I had to write about it.

I don’t usually write about a particular business or product on my blog, but I felt that Western Sky Financial was “worthy”, and not in a good way.

Why?

Because (I’ll choose my words carefully here), this is probably the riskiest personal loan product I’ve ever seen, bar none.

 

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Personal Loans With a “Bite”

These are not like the payday loans that I wrote about in the last post.  These are installment loans, meaning you borrow money and then pay a monthly payment until the debt is satisfied.

Pretty straightforward.

So why are these particular personal loans so bad?

Let me count the ways.

According to the “Terms of Use” page on the Western Sky Financial website:

“The interest rate on a typical loan of $2,600 is 135% with an APR of approximately 139%. Borrowers may prepay their loans at any time without penalty. There are no upfront fees. If you are approved and your loan is funded, we will collect a $75 loan origination fee from the proceeds of the loan.”

Wow!  That’s a big fee on top of a huge interest rate, and a bad deal to be sure.  But that’s only the beginning.

If you click over to the “Rates” page you get the whole story.  Here are the rates I saw when I clicked on my home state of Tennessee:

 

Loan Product Borrower Proceeds Loan Fee APR Number of Payments Payment Amount
$10,000 $9,925 $75 89.68% 84 $743.49
$5,075 $5,000 $75 116.73% 84 $486.58
$2,600 $2,525 $75 139.22% 47 $294.46
$1,500 $1,000 $500 234.25% 24 $198.19
$850 $500 $350 342.86% 12 $150.72

 

Holy high interest rates Batman!

As you can see, these interest rates and fees are sky high; that’s pretty obvious.

 

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But let’s make it a little more real by demonstrating just how some of these numbers add up.  I’ll start with the smallest loan on the “Rates” chart above.

Let’s say you’re in a bind and want a personal loan of $500 from Western Sky Financial.  In order to do that they will charge you a $350 loan origination fee that is taken from the proceeds of the loan.  That means that in order to get the $500 you need, you have to actually borrow $850.

Then an even better thing happens.  They charge your an interest rate of 342.86%

What the… are they serious?

Yes… yes they are.

So if you spread the payback over 12 months, that means your payment would be $150.72 per month.  12 payments of $150.72 add up to $1,808.64.  In just 12 months, you had to pay back more than $1,800 in order to borrow that $500 that you needed.

That’s INSANE!

But what if you want to borrow a larger sum of money, say $10,000?

According to their own numbers, the loan origination fee is $75, which means you only get $9,925.  The interest rate is “only” 89.68%.  When you pay that back over 84 months, your payment will be $743.49, which means you’ll end up paying $62,453.16 for the privilege of borrowing that $10,000.

All I can do at this point is shake my head and ask myself, “Do people really take out these outrageous personal loans?”

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Obviously they do, or this business wouldn’t exist.

Another interesting thing that I saw on the “Rates” page was the disclaimer that stated:

“Please be aware that not all applicants will qualify for every loan product or the lowest interest rate for a particular loan product.”

Wow, do the rates go even higher?  I guess you can only find out by filling out an application.

So those are the numbers.

Crazy man, crazy

Western Sky Financial is Not Bound by U.S. Law

As I continued through the site, I found something else very interesting   and unusual.  As it turns out, Western Sky Financial is owned by a Native American individual who is a member of the Cheyenne River Sioux tribe, and the business is located within the boundaries of the Cheyenne River Sioux reservation.

Why is that important?

It’s important because if you know anything about Native American reservations in the U.S., you know that they are considered to be sovereign nations that reside within the borders of the United States.  Therefore, the “Terms of Use” page states that all loans are subject to the laws of the Cheyenne Sioux, and that no other state or federal laws apply.  It reads as follows:

“All loans will be subject solely to the exclusive laws and jurisdiction of the Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe, Cheyenne River Indian Reservation. All borrowers must consent to be bound to the jurisdiction of the Cheyenne River Sioux Tribal Court, and further agree that no other state or federal law or regulation shall apply to this Loan Agreement, its enforcement or interpretation.”

This matters because the laws of the Cheyenne River Sioux may be substantially different than U.S. laws.  I have no knowledge as to whether they are or not.

But think about it, if you are dumb enough, or desperate enough, to take out one of these personal loans in the first place, you are not protected by the U.S. legal system if you run into problems.

Now, I’m sure that the Cheyenne River Sioux are honest and have a fair and equitable legal system in place.  But the fact is, unless you’re familiar with that legal system, you have no idea what you’re getting into.

You might as well take out a personal loan with a lender in Namibia or Kosovo.

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I’ve said all that to say this:  I believe and teach my followers that you should make every effort possible to get out of debt and stay out of debt.  It’s absolutely the best way to live your financial life.

But if you do take out any debt, you better know what you’re getting yourself into, or it can get ugly really fast.

Have you had any personal experience with Western Sky Financial and their personal loans?

Any experiences with other high interest lenders?

Tell me about it in the comments.

Resources:

Payday Loan Smackdown- Convenient or Ripoff?

Pawn Stars and Short Term Thinking

The Miracle (or Curse) of Compound Interest

Eliminate Your Financial Frustration

Control Your Money and Your Destiny

Don’t Eat the Goldfish

The “How Do You Get Out of Debt?” series

I Screwed Up Bigtime!

Panic at the Gas Station!

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  • marygoodnews

    Do you need a loan?if yes,email us at:[email protected]

    Name:
    AMOUNT:
    SEX:
    DURATION:
    OCCUPATION:
    COUNTRY:
    PHONE NUMBER:

  • Mike

    Hi All: My name is Michael. I am a consumer rights attorney, and I
    have some good news: I am working on and investigating that possible
    lawsuit right now with a team of attorneys, against Western Sky / Cash
    Call and other lenders who I believe take advantage of people who are in
    financial trouble.

    I have spoken to many, many people with stories of these particular
    lenders charging massive interest rates and using harassing tactics to
    collect. I really do not like that they do that, and I am hoping we can
    put a stop to it.

    I would love to speak with you about your situation, to learn more
    and see if you have interest in the lawsuit we are now investigating.
    FYI, if you want, I created the email [email protected] (which I monitor and personally respond to) so that you can reach out to me if you would
    like.

    Just so you know, I am a real, person (lol); I am and are working
    with experienced consumer class action attorneys; and I am a down-to
    earth nice guy.

    I hope to speak by email and then by phone if you would like.

    Best, Michael [-_-]

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  • Lisa Brown

    I am currently going through a run in with Western Sky and their partner CashCall. I applied because the TV advertisement claimed to be better and cheaper than a payday loan, which are illegal in PA. Because of the advertisement I didn’t think that their product was not legitimate. I found out a few months later after talking to several people at my job about some shady moves that Western Sky pulled that their service is illegal in PA because 1. they are not licensed in the state to offer financial services, 2. their fees and interest rates are not in compliance with Pennsylvania regulations. Now how this tribal thing will pan out I have no idea but one of the DAG’s told me to shut down the bank account that they were drawing from after I told her how money they already received.

    Tribal lenders have been coming under fire within the past couple of years. They may have their own set of laws on the reservation but they are not above federal laws. Once they do business outside of the reservation they should be held accountable for abiding by the laws and regulations of whatever state they are transacting in. There is currently a bill that Senator Merkley is trying to get through Congress to stop these tribal lenders. The Federal Trade Commission is also conducting an investigation.

    • http://www.CFinancialFreedom.com Dr. Jason Cabler

      Wow! Sorry you had that experience with them. From my research, yours is a pretty typical story when it comes to dealing with those guys. I’m glad to see that at least one state, and hopefully the feds are looking into these lousy loans.

      I sincerely hope that you’ll stay away from any kinds of loans in the future. You don’t need them and you CAN learn to live debt free if you choose. Keep reading the blog and check out the materials I have to offer and you’ll learn all you need to know. By the way, my CFF get out of debt course will be available as an online course soon, so feel free to check back in a few weeks if you’re interested.

    • Mike

      Hi Lisa: My name is Michael Berman, I am a consumer rights attorney, and I have some good news: I am working on and investigating that exact
      lawsuit right now with a team of attorneys, against Western Sky / Cash Call and other lenders who I believe take advantage of people who are in financial trouble.

      I have spoken to many, many people with stories of these particular lenders charging massive interest rates and using harassing tactics to collect. I really do not like that they do that, and I am hoping we can put a stop to it.

      I would love to speak with you about your situation, to learn more and see if you have interest in the lawsuit we are now investigating.
      What would be the best way to reach you? FYI, if you want, I created the email [email protected] so that you can reach out to me if you would like.

      Just so you know, I am a real, person (lol); I am and are working with experienced consumer class action attorneys; and I am a down-to earth nice guy.

      I hope to speak by email and then by phone if you would like.

      Best, Michael [-_-]

      • http://www.CFinancialFreedom.com Dr. Jason Cabler

        Interesting. I’d be interested to find out just how many people have taken loans from this company and how many are looking to sue. I’d also like to find out how a lawsuit would work against an indian tribe based business.

    • http://www.CFinancialFreedom.com Dr. Jason Cabler

      Wow, sorry for the trouble you’ve had. I believe this company has to be one of the worst in America, period. Taking advantage of people at that level is beyond unethical, and may even be illegal, indian tribe or not.

      I sincerely hope that you get from all this that what I believe and teach is absolutely true. That is that the best way to approach your financial life is to work hard at becoming debt free. Once you do, you don’t have to act out of desperation to take out loans that will put you in a much more serious bind than you were before you took out the loan.

      If you haven’t already, I would encourage you to take a look at my “How Do You Get Out of Debt?” series at this link: http://www.cfinancialfreedom.com/resources/the-how-do-you-get-out-of-debt-series

  • http://www.ontargetcoach.com/ Brent Pittman

    That is tricky for sure and would allow service men and women to be trapped by such loans and not have the protection of US law from payday lenders.

  • randy

    Ugh, heap big bad medicine ! Or better yet, Redmans revenge! Wow ! Big tony the loan shark got nothing on these boys. To bad Western Sky not traded what a Roi.

    • http://www.CFinancialFreedom.com Dr. Jason Cabler

      Yeah, I guess they are profitable anyway. Don’t think I could do business that way.